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Things I Think About, by Peter Bowditch

How many people do those doctors kill?

Lies are being told again about how many deaths in Australia are caused by doctors and real medicine. The specific claim this time by Meryl Dorey of the Australian Vaccination Network is that adverse drug reactions kill between 18,000 and 94,000 people each year. The wide range is apparently because most of these events are not reported.

Let’s look at some facts. The first of these is that according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics 141,707 people died in Australia in 2009, the last year for which final figures have been published. A reasonable person would assume that it is highly unlikely that 66% of all deaths are caused by drug reactions. Still, when bashing doctors is the cause any tools or words can be used. The second fact is that according to the Therapeutic Goods Administration they have 233,000 such adverse events (not deaths) recorded in their database. Over a period of 50 years. Here is a graph from the TGA showing reports over recent years:

Reported adverse drug reactions

You might notice that most reactions are reported by pharmaceutical companies. This does not fit with the world view of supporters of quackery because they all know that Big Pharma is evil and will do or hide anything to keep the profits up. In 2010, the TGA received 14,200 reports of reactions to drugs. Not deaths, reactions, so even at the lowest estimate in Ms Dorey’s fantasy there were 26% more deaths than incidents.

It is also worth noting that “adverse reaction” can mean almost anything, even coincidence. Sometimes you don’t even need drugs. I had an adverse reaction the last time I donated blood, but as it hasn’t happened before I’ll mention it the next time I go to the Blood Bank, they’ll record it on their records and it might never happen again. I’ve had bad effects from certain drugs, but usually a phone call to the doctor followed by a change of prescription has reassured me. I have Type 2 diabetes and take metformin every day. A proportion of people who take this drug suffer from diarrhea and excessive flatulence when they first start taking it (I didn’t – I was one of the lucky ones, or perhaps it was my family who were lucky). There is no known toxic dose, new patients are advised of the possibility, and no doctor would report it unless the problems persisted or became disabling.

As you can see from the graph, a very large proportion of reports come from outside the medical bureaucracy. It can safely be assumed that many of these were coincidence (“I took Mycoxaflopin and an hour later I had a headache”.) and almost certainly most were not checked by a medical practitioner, otherwise the doctor would have done the reporting.

So, considering all of the above I think it is safe to say that Meryl Dorey was exaggerating when she blamed medications for that enormous number of deaths. Did I say “exaggerating”? Having looked at how easy it was to debunk the ludicrous numbers I might even think that it went beyond exaggeration into the realm of dishonesty. You note my lack of surprise.

The attack on real medicine using made up numbers is not new. Here is something I wrote in 2002. The quote in the middle starting “Iatrogenic Injury in Australia” was made by Meryl Dorey among others. It can still be found using a Google search.

“14,000 preventable medical deaths”

The proponents of quackery and medical fraud love to tell us about how many people are killed by doctors each year. In the opposition to the NSW anti-quackery committee the number of iatrogenic deaths in Australia has been mentioned several times to make the point that doctors should clean up their own act before trying to do anything about charlatans and pretend doctors. Not only has it been mentioned several times, but it has several values. The ones quoted so far are 19,000, 18,000, 14,000 and 10,000. I have done some investigating to find out where these widely-varying numbers have come from. You will have to pay attention carefully here, but it will be worth the effort.

The figure of 19,000 could possibly be a mistake, as it was only mentioned once and the same person also said 18,000 somewhere else, so we don’t have to worry about that one any more. The 18,000 (with a 95% confidence interval of 12,000 to 23,000!) comes from a study published in 1995 (1) (using data from 1992) of hospital adverse events in two states of Australia. The author of that report published another report in 2001 (2) which says that deaths may be as high as 10,000, so it looks like he has rethought his previous research. The 2001 report (which says 10,000 maximum) is cited by several people who mention the number 14,000, although they never provide an actual reference for the paper so anyone can check. (The characters “1” and “4” do not appear together anywhere in the document.) They also say “14,000 preventable deaths” when the paper talks about adverse events and quite clearly says that not all of them were preventable. I am never surprised by quacks lying or acting on the assumption that their readers have no ability to check facts.

To unequivocally illustrate the lie, I will give you the words which are actually used to cite the 2001 report on several web sites:

Iatrogenic Injury in Australia – This is the executive summary of a 150 page official report revealing 14,000 preventable medical error deaths (only in hospitals – not private practice). (Full report on file).

The “Executive Summary” can be seen here.

The real mystery is the 14,000 number. Where did it come from? I first heard it before the 2001 report was published, when someone cited that report as if it existed (people knew that it was coming). The answer is that the original 1995 study, which came up with an estimate of 18,000 iatrogenic deaths per year, involved an examination of 14,000 patient records. (14,000 records examined, 2302 adverse events, 111 deaths, 80% of which were of people aged over 65.) So, in the minds of the quacks, a sample of 14,000 medical records became 14,000 preventable deaths, despite the fact that the author said 18,000 on one occasion and 10,000 on another. Simple, isn’t it? But wait, there’s more! In June 1995, five months before the original 18,000 (plus or minus 6,000) number was published, a politician issued a press release which said that the study would show a rate between 10,000 and 14,000, and a newspaper reported the release. This apparently makes it legitimate to use the number 14,000 when citing a paper that says 10,000.

By the way, there were 133,707 deaths from all causes combined in Australia in 2002. The likelihood that doctors are killing, through negligence or error, half as many people as die from all cancers combined or 150% as many as die of stroke is ludicrous. Whatever it is it is too high, but it certainly isn’t 18,000.


1. Wilson RM, Runciman WB, Gibberd RW, Harrison BT, Newby L, Hamilton JD. The Quality in Australian Health Care Study. Med J Aust 1995; 163(9):458-71.

2. Runciman WB, Moller J. Iatrogenic Injury in Australia. Adelaide: Australian Patient Safety Foundation Inc. 2001 (Read the report here)

A version of this article appeared in the December 2002 edition of the Skeptic, the journal of the Australian Skeptics

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10 thoughts on “How many people do those doctors kill?

  • mochuck says:

    Those figures do not just represent mainstream medication. They represent ALL medication including so-called “natural therapies”

    • True. But as Meryl says, nobody ever dies from natural therapies. St John’s Wort eliminating the effect of contraceptive pills just results in unwanted pregnancies and that can be blamed on the pill. Stroke from grapefruit reducing the effects of statins can be blamed on the statins or KFC.

      See, I can do this too.

      I think the minimum number of deaths being greater than the total of all reports is the best part.

  • Andre Hsu MD says:

    The CDC reports 2.6M American hospitalized in 2011 for adverse reactions to prescription drugs and 1.2M deaths. Health Canada has similarly reported 200K hospitalizations and 100K deaths. Given that Australia’s population is approximately 23M , it would be reasonable to assume that 160K Australians are hospitalized and 80K die each year.

    You are truly an imbecile! But do continue with your prescription drugs!

    • 80,000 out of 141,707? And you call me an imbecile.

    • Tim Scanlon says:

      Andre your figures are totally incorrect. There are several studies that have directly looked at the proportion of admissions due to adverse reactions and the subsequent death rates.

      Pirmohamed et al. (2004) found that 6.5% of hospital admissions over a six month period were due to adverse drug reactions. Median bed stay was 8 days. The overall fatality was 0.15% Drugs most commonly implicated in causing these admissions included low dose aspirin, diuretics, warfarin, and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs other than aspirin, the most common reaction being gastrointestinal bleeding.

      Chan et al (2001) found that even in older patients (+75) who are on numerous medications, only 30.4% of admissions were due to adverse drug reactions. The overall fatality was 2.5%.

      Also, hospitalisation rates are easily available, including all breakdowns. You clearly aren’t even trying to find this data to inform yourself: http://www.aihw.gov.au/publication-detail/?id=6442467993&tab=2

  • Deb says:

    Mrs Dorey has also said that chemotherapy killed a relative of hers. So here you have the answer – just add in every cancer patient who has had chemotherapy and at some later point dies. I’m sure that will get it up over 18,000.

  • Fuck Off! says:

    Hey moron….HSU was reporting his data…not yours! Who’s the imbecile?

    • No, he was “reporting” his idiocy. He estimates that drugs cause 66% of ALL deaths in Australia. This is so ludicrous that even a child would laugh at it.

      Have you read my piece on the worthlessness of anonymous posters?

  • jeff says:

    here`s a story from the l.a. times that studied all your studies and found some blatant and typical drug cartel shenanigans…..aren`t some of these drug companies the same ones who made the poison to go into the nazi ovens?? who were given immunity to work in u.s.a. after the war..as were the first recruits for c.i.a…..I suppose you guys would have us all believe fluoride is good for us too!!! lol…

    Researchers reviewed 546 drug trials and found that industry-funded trials reported positive outcomes 85% of the time compared with 50% of the time for government-funded trials and 72% of the time for trials funded by nonprofits or non-federal organizations. Among the nonprofit or non-federal studies, those that received industry contributions were more likely to be positive (85%) compared with those that did not have any industry support (61%).

    To be sure, the pharmaceutical industry is more selective in what studies it funds. Drug companies want to know they have a reasonably good chance of success before investing in a study. In contrast, the federal government often funds studies that are at an earlier stage of research when the outcomes are far less certain. But the new study also showed that results of industry-funded studies were published within two years of the study completion 32% of the time compared with 54% for government trials and 56% for nonprofit or non-federal trials.

    The paper suggests that ClinicalTrials.gov, a web-based registry of clinical trials established in 1999, is a valuable source of information for documenting study quality especially if a trial sponsor publishes the study protocol in advance of enrolling patients and reports the findings promptly. Doing so prevents manipulating data or selectively publishing some results but not others.

    The study was published Monday in the Annals of Internal Medicine. And, although it is not a drug clinical trial, for the sake of transparency let us note that it was funded by the National Library of Medicine and National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.

    — Shari Roan

    • Tim Scanlon says:

      Wow, Godwins law and a conspiracy theory in one post!

      What you will actually find from that study is not what you are claiming. Medical drug trials are only interesting for positive results. The negatives lead to canned drugs which leads to an information deficit but not necessarily bad drugs getting through. There are issues that need to be addressed but not the way you are implying.